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How To Create and Live a High-Performance Lifestyle With John Allen Mollenhauer

Updated: Dec 29, 2022

John Allen Mollenhauer

John Allen Mollenhauer, better known as “JAM,” is a leading performance lifestyle coach. He is the Founder of Regenus Center, a biohacking, anti-aging, and lifestyle center in East Hanover, New Jersey. For over 12 years, John has inspired, educated, and supported hundreds of entrepreneurs and other driven business professionals to optimize their energy and the way they work. His signature program is called Manage Your Energy Like a Pro. John is also the co-author of The Curse of the Capable: The Hidden Challenges to a Balanced, Healthy, High-Achieving Life.

Here’s a glimpse of what you’ll learn:

  • The lessons John Allen Mollenhauer learned from the early days of his business

  • How mindset and energy affect your health and lifestyle

  • What is the curse of a capable person?

  • The benefits of living a healthy lifestyle

  • How performance addiction affected John's life

  • John's advice for overcoming unhealthy habits

  • Why your body is similar to a battery

  • John's daily recharging rituals

In this episode…

Your mindset has a big impact on your performance, in both your personal and professional life. To live a high-performance lifestyle, John Allen Mollenhauer's advice is to ensure that you recharge and rejuvenate your body regularly. Don't waste your time pleasing others. Pushing yourself too much and trying to prove yourself will drain your energy and lead to an unhappy life. Performance addiction can negatively affect life, family, and business.

So how can you overcome performance addiction and live a healthy and happy life? How can you live peacefully and responsibly?

John Allen Mollenhauer, a leading performance lifestyle coach and the Founder of Regenus Center, joins Mark Hiddleson in this episode of The Tao of Pizza Podcast to talk about how to create and live a high-performance lifestyle. They also discuss the effects of performance addiction, the benefits of living a healthy lifestyle, and why your body is similar to a battery.

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Episode Transcript:

Intro 0:01

Welcome to The Tao of Pizza where we feature top logistics leaders, entrepreneurs, and supply chain innovators and share their inspiring stories with a holistic twist.

Mark Hiddleson 0:16

Mark Hiddleson here, host of The Tao of Pizza Podcast where I talk with top industry innovators in the warehousing, logistics, and supply chain business with a holistic twist. Before introducing today's guest, this episode is brought to you by Specialized Storage Solutions Inc. Listen, I've been in the logistics and storage industry for several decades. And I know I don't look that old, but it's true. We provide industry leading warehouse storage solutions nationwide. So basically, we have a warehouse that needs rack shelving carts, conveyors, or mezzanines, we help with the design instead of engineering, installation, inspection and repairs to help clients optimize their logistics operations. And you know JAM, sometimes people don't realize we can actually help with the permit acquisition services. We take a holistic look at your entire business supply chain to develop the resources for continually improving your operation. To learn more, visit I'll even give my personal email address to podcast listeners. So check me out at if you're ready to take your warehouse storage and retrieval systems to the next level.

Now today's guest is John Allen Mollenhauer, known as lifestyle coach JAM, is one of the leading performance lifestyle coaches worldwide. And the Founder of Regenus Center, pioneering personal energy regeneration facilities that operate in retail and onsite at your business or home that unlock your body's resilience to bounce back from excess stress, fatigue and pain. His signature program is called Manage Your Energy Like a Pro. Start living a healthy performance lifestyle and is the most advanced energy and lifestyle based health and fitness performance system available. JAM, welcome to The Tao of Pizza.

John Allen Mollenhauer 1:57

Hey Mark, thanks for having me. I'm excited about our conversation.

Mark Hiddleson 2:02

Yeah, this is awesome. I have to bring up that we met through Shawn Phillips, awesome author of the book strength for life. And people can go check out an interview I did with Sean called the zen of strength. That's what he's working on now uses an integral approach for men over 40 kind of blending philosophy of martial arts with strength training and nutritional freedom. And I think there's a few ways to connect on that. I think the best way to connect with Shawn is on his Instagram. It's at Sean Phillips fit on IG. So yeah, that was awesome time that Sean introduced us.

John Allen Mollenhauer 2:37

Yeah, we had a regular conversation for a year. It was great. I grew a lot that year.

Mark Hiddleson 2:43

It was awesome. And when everything shifted a few years ago, when people started zoom, doing zoom meetings. I wasn't really a rookie, because we had met. We did one year I think we met probably I don't know if it was 50 time we didn't miss very many weeks out of 52 weeks. It was like every Thursday, one o'clock Pacific. Yes, he's on for now. That was a great. A lot of the seeds that were planted then I think it was like four or five years ago. It was 2018. Yeah, those seeds are coming to fruition now. So I wanted to a lot of our history in that year. Yeah. And we connected and even during the pandemic, you were offering some things online, I did a 90 day, part of my appeal. 365. We'll bring that up in a minute. But I wanted to ask you about the early days because I remember you had wrote a book called The Curse of the capable. And I remember I was reading the beginning of that you had at what point you're operating 10 gems. Is that right? Was

John Allen Mollenhauer 3:42

it 10 or more? What were those early days? Like? Yeah, no, I I started off in you know, I've been an entrepreneur for 40 years. I'm 54. So you know what being an entrepreneur is like, yeah, company, it's a lot of energy outputs, constant problem solving, etc. But I, you know, in my early 20s 10 years into my, my entrepreneurial career, I bought my first gym. And then we started a chain of gyms. We didn't quite have 10, but we were up there. Yeah. And they were paid. You know, I went from a 3000 square foot gym to 60,000 square foot facilities. So it was just a hugely, and I realized how much I just didn't know about operating a business or operating a small tuned Academy gym was one thing, but operating a big gym was a whole nother League. So, you know, that wasn't really the origin of the curse of the capable, which is a book I didn't actually write until 2010 Or at least published until 2010 started in 2008. Seeds of what gave rise to writing the book, The Curse of the capable. were being built and forged in those early days which was I was going nonstop up, I couldn't stop myself. I went from one thing to the next to the next to the next. And, you know, having come from, you know, some experience in the gym business and you know, really paying attention to physical culture. I knew a lot about nutrition, and I knew a lot about fitness. And even if that wasn't where it is today, my knowledge bodies evolved a lot since then. I still couldn't figure out one simple question about me. So good. And exercise is so much why the hell am I still so tired all the time? Yeah. And that was, you know, that was? That was a mindset thing. Yeah. Because it's,

Mark Hiddleson 5:41

I think it is. I was talking to a friend of mine, he's probably he's most fit guy. I know. He's, he's one of my best friends. And he's just trained. He played football in college, and just really never, it took him 10 years after college to realize that he's not playing football anymore. He doesn't need to train like a football player. You know, he's still doing 500 pound deadlifts and trying to squat. You know, a guy did, I don't want to say 300 pounds, because probably way more than that. But he said one thing, because I'm probably one of the most fit, guys. I know. But I haven't taken enough time off. I haven't done the rest periods. He goes and I ache everywhere. He's like, he looks like he looks like you want to look when you're 20. He's 52. Yeah, weeks goes, he goes, but the recovery isn't I didn't master that until, you know, just the past five or six years. And it's kind of the same thing. Like you're seeing this output, output output training. But where's the recovery? Right?

John Allen Mollenhauer 6:35

Well, and if anybody lives in my orbit for any period of time, they will quickly discover that energies is the primary focus, managing your energy is really the crux and the core of what I ultimately, of helping people live, which is a healthy, high performance lifestyle, not an unhealthy, high performance lifestyle. Everyone's making attempts and unhealthy high performance. Yeah, because they are, they're going all day long. And they want to do everything and they want to do everything to the nines, and they end up you know, engaging in all these unhealthy, high performance practices that literally force you to burn out and ultimately trade your health for success. Even if you're like I was where you're good at a few things like I was good at nutrition. I was good at working out. But meanwhile, I'm still suffering from back pain. My I'm emotionally erratic, I'm tired all the time, like tempers flaring, like I have all these symptoms of lack of wellness or well being that are starting to emerge. But doggone it, I'm eating like, I'm eating great. I'm exercising like a pro. But come on in. Yeah, so So energy is really the crux, and learning how to manage it, like a pro is really the crux of what I'm teaching. If you don't do that. You don't do anything else, right. So you can be you can just know everything you want about nutrition, but not be eating that healthy. You could be great at training, but still be suffering from aches and pains, which is sort of like, that doesn't seem like those two things should be in the same conversation, right?

Mark Hiddleson 8:14

Or even in communication, a lot of like, a lot of what I'm aware of tears because I've, I've studied a lot about communication. And I've had one of my coaches, I don't know if Did you check out the episode with Vicki eligible, she teaches martial arts, but she also teaches it's called powerful non defensive communication. Because there are things when you're doing all these projects is easily to get completely frustrated since I was like, people aren't doing what they said they were going to do. Things aren't going the way. And a lot of times I know the technique, like I could go through and redo the outline of the book. But you get into one of those conversations and energies not standard. Just skip, skip everything. You know, same thing with nutrition. It was like I know what to eat. And the one of these experiences is hit me. I've been reading a lot more and not watching as much TV and I was like, you know, if I just sit there and veg and watch TV, I kind of want a snack or cookies and suddenly like I don't even eat cookies, but for some reason if I'm just veggie now that start to get those cravings, but if I'm reading a book, I don't it's like an amazing, like those cravings don't even come up so everything is kind of connected in the practices that you have, you know, like and I don't like snot like so like I'm reading to suppress my appetite. But it's just the

John Allen Mollenhauer 9:35

way you don't at least reading readings and engaged process. It's actually a stimulating process. Yeah, I mean, unless it's like at 11 o'clock at night where it doesn't make a difference what you stimulate yourself. You're gonna go off the cliff and asleep anyway. Right, right. I mean readings, engage process and when people you know, when you actually slow down, you face your true condition. You To face how much energy you actually have, when you're not being stimulated, like, it's revealed to you how much energy you actually have. So if you're depleted, and you sit in front of the TV, you're gonna have to eat, or else you're gonna fall asleep. Like you have to, you have to have something that stimulating you or you're gonna definitely fall asleep. And you know, behind that is a whole energy management principle that is huge. And people screw it up all day long, I did it for decades, and still only get it 70 to 80% of the time, right? Because when you're, you know, when you face your true condition, and you're depleted, you also lose your faculties. So it doesn't matter really what you know, I mean, it matters to a certain degree, but you, you, you're not going to roll with it. And, you know, you brought up my sister point, which is another fundamental of a performance lifestyle, or a high performance lifestyle. And that is, you know, if you're tired, and you're grounded in your brain, and your brain, like, let's say, you're dealing with frustration, or an unsustainable situation, or something that's gone awry. That's like the two prongs of a perfect storm, that is going to cause you know, a lot more problems, right, where you're gonna start, you start coping with now stress in ways that create more stress, because you're not really grounded in your higher self. So you're, you're grounded in your story. Now, you're retired at the exact same time? Absolutely. So now you're grounded in your brain, you're tired. And, you know, you're dealing with whatever external frustration you're dealing with in the world. And man, in that moment, that's where everybody hates the perfect storm, three storms all collide. And now they, you know, they'll do exactly what I said earlier, they'll cope with stress in ways that create more stress, we'll drink coffee, they'll eat, they'll watch TV, they'll distract themselves, take some medication, drink pop up,

Mark Hiddleson 11:59

and then you're on the wheel. So share some of the things I know. There's a lot of things, it's the most, you know, share some of the things that make it the most advanced energy and lifestyle based health performance system. Like ways that we source energy, I think if you had some great, you know, just people no food or anything, you know, but how about the sun? The earth? Like, what are some of the ways that we're just share some things that makes your system like, quote unquote, most advanced

John Allen Mollenhauer 12:27

for good? Well, actually, you know, and I can dovetail into that by closing the loop on the previous question, which is, what is the curse of a capable person? Right? A lot of people I imagine you're talking to our business owners, their executives, their high performing people, a lot of responsibility, right? And people highly capable people are often driven by their own stories. The same is true for me. Right? The same still is true for me to secondary. Yeah, right. It's changed a lot now. And I'll, I'll get into that in just a second. But we're often driven by our stories. And our stories are usually in comparison to other people. So you know, pop culture wise, that's keeping up with the Joneses. Right? Right. But it's also a you know, you know, I'm a mum 48. And my other 48 year old friend is, you know, playing, you know, this sport, and they're loving life, and they're driving this, and they're doing, they're living their life a certain way and experiencing a certain result, how come I'm not good. So you drive yourself even harder to get that result, right. So it's cold. It's a condition called performance, addictions. And our society, it's the only addiction in the world that is rewarded. Because you know, your boss, your stakeholders, your, you know, your family, for that matter. Your coach, when you were a kid, your teacher wants to keep you going. They all you know, go bigger, go home, don't make excuses. Everyone's doing like early Navy SEAL training. You know, where that kind of stuff actually matters, right? Because those people are going through 24 hour cycles where they have to get into a country and out that strike two people. And if they don't do it in that exact amount of time, someone's going to die.

Mark Hiddleson 14:26

Yeah. So the best way I told my best friend, we were talking like I did, for all these years, I live my life, like every single down was fourth and two. And he goes, No man, he goes in second and three, right? Because the fourth and two, there's only a few plays, you can run right? And everything's like right now like life. He goes, it's gotta you gotta look at it like it's second in theory.

John Allen Mollenhauer 14:49

It's like second, exactly a second and three, you only have to go into a certain gear. You know what I mean? You know, you got two more downs. Yeah. It's only three yards. You don't have to do four Within one, yeah. And so we were training. Yeah, we had all these stories cookied into our brain, that that kept us going for one motivation or another, that's a whole nother conversation, okay. But it's usually about getting higher performance, right. And we never learned the lifestyle that supports performance, what we learned were a bunch of quick hacks, usually psychological hacks that get you to perform at a higher level. And we started to formulate stories, where, unless we're doing those things are not going to get the love, the respect, you know, the accolades or the awards, unless we are pushing the nines. And our culture, particularly in America is built on this. So we keep trying to prove ourselves, I did it for years, decades. And I was literally killing myself slowly. So now, if you have performance addiction, which, you know, everybody's got a little healthy level of performance addiction mark, right. Yeah, I see how you're doing. You see how I'm doing. You pick up a tip from me, you say, Wow, if he's able to do that, I mean, I'd love to do that, too. So John, show me how that's done. For mark, show me, us. That's a healthy level comparison. But man, can it get ugly, to where you literally cannot stop yourself and you're going all the time. Now, take that same person, and give him a program of sleep and give him a program on healthy eating and a program on this doesn't matter. We can roll our eyes back, because we're not going to stop and do it anyway. They literally cannot stop themselves. And the actual performance addiction is not the behavior. The performance addiction is the comparison in the story. The actual behavior turns into you flip the words into the addiction to performance. Because now you get wired this way. And now it's your personality, and people will feed it back to you and say, Oh, Mark, man, what? Yeah, Mark, nobody. Nobody sits up warehousing systems as good as you do. You are the best at it. Right? Yeah. Now, just picking a fun example, right? We

Mark Hiddleson 17:20

know that people do like, yeah, we got more business like, are you gonna be able to? Yeah, it's I was lucky because when I was young, I had a boss who trained me the opposite way he actually. And he was smart, too, because he would tell me things like, and I'm learning this now. He's like, coach that literally can coach that basketball team. And like now that I'm fit that was when I was in my late 20s. And now what I was thinking was like, well, those skills of coaching literally basketball and baseball and all that it made me a better business person, you know, not only recharge my batteries, it was skill sets. That I was I was kind of I was still giving energy out but you get so much bad and when he gave you advocate you

John Allen Mollenhauer 18:03

structure it gave you release a break time exactly. rejuvenate your spirit time, it gives you all these other things, that if you were just literally added, like sales all day long on selling systems, exactly. You would you would, you'd be so myopic that you drive yourself straight to the ground.

Mark Hiddleson 18:24

And I did, I was able to create boundaries to tell customers like hey, no, look, I got to start coaching at 230. So I got to be out of here by noon, or wherever. And most people were glad. They're like, Oh, you got to coach a tee like, okay, great. And then if there were some that were like, Hey, Mark, like you're saying, Well, you know, kids are one thing, but business is business. Those are kind of the clients that I started to shy away from, because you only have so much

John Allen Mollenhauer 18:48

time because the people you're working with you're probably in genuine relationship with your life, you learn about their lives. Right? And I've always known that about you. That's that's the kind of flavor you've already given off. You've always, you know, sort of had a light abiding about you. Not so like, high strung that you're frenetic and that we don't have time for that. Let's get on to the next right. Yeah. I've always been sort of a fun guy to talk to.

Mark Hiddleson 19:15

So my team was that my team listens to all these and they see the one you're talking about. Sometimes they feel like it's fourth and two. But yeah, most of the time, there's a balance, you know, something? Yeah,

John Allen Mollenhauer 19:29

sometimes it's sport them too. So sometimes they're gonna see fourth and two. Yeah. Yeah. So So that's part of the big problem that we're really solving. Yeah, right. When I when I was sort of melding this whole idea, because I knew as an entrepreneur, I always wanted to develop a big idea. I just didn't know what it was gonna be. I also didn't know that the problem was part of my own nature. But I was going to be looking to solve that A lot of people are suffering from. And when I, when I used to call it it. I don't know what it is, why can't I stop myself? Yeah, you know, everything I do, I have to do so obsessively or I have to say it's such a high level, you know, I'm trying to prove myself all the time. And it was the underlying performance addiction, that then converted to the addiction to performance. So people started feeding it back on me. So now I felt like I had to be a certain way, I couldn't live my life. According to my pace, according to getting my own needs met, I had to live according to the life that people were projecting back on me. And, you know, because it was like, there was no time to stop. Right? So you know, it's kind of like, you have this image in your head, you feel like you have to live to that image. And anything outside of that self image just isn't going to happen. So that really is what formulated the big problem. And when I was when I when I got the idea of, of which I didn't develop, I didn't know what performance lifestyle, I the name, I didn't come up with the name, I didn't come up with the name of a high performance Lysa, which is a performance lifestyle, the next level, right, all I knew is I wanted to stop these unhealthy performance practices that were driving me into the ground. And I wanted to figure out how do I live, this highly responsible, you know, high energy life that is required of me to fulfill my ambitious goals, but not burnout, and not trade my health, for that success. I didn't want that anymore, sick of it. So I started peeling back the onion. And that's ultimately what helped me understand what the real problem was, that I was solving. And at its most basic level of performance, lifestyle is the antithesis of the performance addicted life, you know, you're living one, when you have peace of mind. When you when you're living in balance, and you have vibrant health, yet you're still able to crush it. Yeah, it's balanced lane, you know, you've got a lifestyle that's fully supporting you, and what you're up to in the world. And once I understood what the problem was, then we could nail the solution. But if I didn't understand that I would have never been able to create the breadth and death, for I shouldn't say assemble the breadth and depth of what it means to live a healthy high performance lifestyle.

Mark Hiddleson 22:31

So balance, balance, health and peace of mind while still achieving your most important goals. That's my jam. That's one that I ripped off from you that I still use. Almost it's not really an affirmation, but it's a you know what he would call that but just a motto, right? A mantra.

John Allen Mollenhauer 22:48

Yeah, it's like a motto? How do you achieve your most even your most ambitious goals and living in balance and vibrant health and peace of mind? How do you do that? Yeah, you got to know, you got to know what to do? And why? Yeah, you got to know how to do it. And when, at the right level, the right intensity and the right consistency for you to achieve your desired results. Right. Yeah. So and that's the new definition of balance. So you, you by definition, Mark, have to know a wider swath of skills, he can't be a one trick pony, like learn, you know, do a deep dive on nutrition for two years, or he got off fitness for two years, those are only that's less than 8% of a lifestyle that's less than 8%. So what are you looking at the whole, the whole approach, it's probably closer to 3%, I'll be it very important. These are we make so much of these two things, but we everything else is sort of another trap. It's a it's, it's something else. But if you really you really assemble all the fundamentals of successful living into one thing, which is your lifestyle, which is made up of many things, and you get them all working together. Oh my God, that's when that that motto can be fulfilled.

Mark Hiddleson 24:12

So what are some of the other things of the fundamentals? So like we mentioned a few, you know, health, nutrition, fitness, that's part of it.

John Allen Mollenhauer 24:22

The career relationships,

Mark Hiddleson 24:24

spiritual, what are some of the other areas? Well, I

John Allen Mollenhauer 24:28

got asked the question back in 2008. The full picture of what it means to live a healthy, high performance, do you really want to give it the right description, a balanced and healthy, high performance lifestyle? Right. I was asked, and I had a pretty clear picture of what the dots were. I was trying to get them into the right structure in order so that I had a model, right, right. And a client ask you several, you know, I don't see spirituality. Well, like it was a slice of like to use The Tao of Pizza like it was a slice of the pie. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm like, well, it's not a slice of the pie. It's all spiritual. Yeah, it's a whole thing. Right? Energy is what we really are. And we experienced energy as Spirit, then to live a spirit driven life. It's all spiritual. Everything is an expression of spirit. Yeah. And and, you know, you brought up a point earlier, remember when we were talking about the perfect storm? Right? Yeah. When you bring up the perfect storm, you're grounded. And you're one of the one of the storms is that you're, you're tired. And you're grounded in your psychology. You're grounded in your head. You're like a walking thinking thing? Yeah. So whatever miserable situation you're in at the moment, is affecting your thinking, and you're tired. So you can't even deal with it. Yeah, right. And so you brought up the question, what's another aspect of performance less of a mother lode of a healthy performance lifestyle is to be grounded in what you really are, before, who and how you think you are or should be or whatever follow. Because we've got to be grounded in spirit, we've got to be grounded in our higher selves, our authentic self, our unlimited power, the divine within our true nature, our true potential, whatever you want to call it, but you got to be grounded in that. in right relationship with our head, we are using our head instead of our head using us. To me, to me, that's what I'm really teaching you

Mark Hiddleson 26:48


John Allen Mollenhauer 26:50

What I had you and just about everyone else, yes, what we really have had to learn. Because if you know, your brain is like your arm, right? It's a tool, not my arm, clearly I could, you could lose your arm, I could lose the arm. That's right, right, but we're not going to die. So we stopped the bleeding. So you're not your arm. So you're not your brain and your experience or your thoughts either, right? So when you're grounded in true grace, now you're able to like the zone and flow become your new normal. And now you can start using your head instead of your head using you. Now that is absolutely critical. Like you remember, we were talking about the book, The Curse of the capable, right? When when I tell you a quick inside story, when we were writing that book, at the end of the three year process that that took my co author who's a Harvard psychologist, he comes to me says, let's do a book tour. And the sort of sub idea of the book was change your story. Right? And I'm like, Ah, Arthur, I gotta, I gotta read my own book right now. I need like, a couple of years just to work this out myself. We wrote the book when I was in the throes of performance addiction. But I need to work, I need to, like clean up my own hand, I don't think I'm in the place right now. With like, you know, to, you know, 1000s of people about how to change your story, my stories are still suck. Terrible.

Mark Hiddleson 28:31

I need five years, five years to integrate what I wrote in the book and actually limit

John Allen Mollenhauer 28:38

Exactly. So I literally have to put the kibosh on the whole tour and just let the book sit for a couple of years. So because I understand the full problem of what I was solving at that time, yeah. And what I learned was this, you can't change a story from within the story itself. So if if, if on one front, you're saying, I can't stop, and then you say, I need to stop. The operative story of my life is that I can't stop myself. Right? Because he all the time. I have all these stories that I've identified with. And now I'm saying, I'm going to stop. Yeah. So I kept chasing my tail and the people that I when I was working with a limited number of people that were all chasing our tails, because the minute one story changed, another story popped up. And it's because I was living grounded in my psychology.

Mark Hiddleson 29:42

It's that I whatever the I, you were saying is like that i You were talking about isn't even really there. Like I can't stop that I doesn't really exist.

John Allen Mollenhauer 29:51

Well, why it changes when you take a step back? Yeah. And you're now grounded in your higher self because now I can see the story. For what it was just a story that I had, I could get rid of that story because I was no longer operating from it. So you can't change a story from within the story itself. So your primary identification is, you know, I was John born in 1960. A son of so so I hate beats, you know, you know, I'm a this I'm a dad, I've done this in my life and got it you tell your whole story? Yeah. If that's your primary identification, you've completely missed the boat. Absolutely. Because you're, you're the boat, not the ocean. And in order to change the boat, you got to be the ocean, so to speak, right? Just to use a simple metaphor. But anyway, that's a huge that is the that is the foundation of a performance lifestyle. Because, you know, years ago, I know, are you asking me any questions, or?

Mark Hiddleson 30:57

I will I want to? It's a question. We shot a shot. Oh, well, I was gonna ask you what are some of the practices because I've had a few other people. And we've talked about this. And then there was a great quote on the solo Lightoller, which he's written 12 books. It's funny. Like, there's a difference in experts. And that's one of the things I liked. And you know, this about I like to dabble and become sort of an expert, but not really the expert. So I probably read 20 books on Dallas philosophy. Well, this guy's written 12 books, it was like, it was the only difference of embodying some of these concepts or just the practice he used. But the example he gave Is that what you're trying to do is you're trying to, you're creating conditions for good things to happen and just create, creating those conditions, not really trying to control people are super attached to the results. But you just keep making the space, or, you know, creating the container is one of the words when I was in grad school, Lisa said, create a container like it's kind of a Hokey Pokey touching field that you're, you're basically creating the container for the possibilities for your life. And he goes, and sometimes things suck, and don't get too crapped out about it. Because sometimes things would be good. And don't get like, Oh, hey, you know, it's the Super Bowl and spend all your money and everything like that. So he said, Have you focus on and I think that's kind of the same thing we are saying when you identify as energy. And then your energy is infinite. It's like, how am I expanding this energy? And not really trying to control it or be this i that has of autobiography, wants a new sports car? Which by the way, it's been almost 10 years since I bought a sports car. So it is, it is on the list. But I'm waiting, still. But I think is that what you're saying? Is that you're creating conditions?

John Allen Mollenhauer 32:47

Rather than Yeah, you know, a lot of people get to the ground that being from meditation. Yeah. Right. A lot of people will will wake up to what they really are. Before who and how, which is how most people go through life through an energy awakening, or spiritual awakening, right? They'll they'll feel like it's it's tenable. You can feel that that wow, there's there's there's something bigger that's animating me that's giving me lifeforce that that I am before all these thoughts going on in my head and, and who I think I am, right. Yeah. And and you start to realize not to go too far out, but you start to realize that you know, what you are is the intelligent energy that's creating the universe. Absolutely. And, and there's no thinking there. Right? There's there's being unbecoming. There's flow and you're not like you could be on a roller coaster going up and going all the way down and then going into like whoa, all right, you're doing this and you can literally either be on the roller coaster or off the roller coaster looking at the roller coaster and still be like wow. So I can't completely come. But we have so much training and we are so cookie by society. It to be walking thinking things to be today constantly our story constantly are be identified with our who in our house that we literally cannot stop ourselves and and and the market loves. You've been stuck in your home and your house because

Mark Hiddleson 34:41

Orlan machine, like if you feel like a machine then they can treat you like a machine and then the machine you can control you can really believe in those machine. That's why I wanted to bring one of the greatest because it is exactly one of the greatest debates we you and I ever got into at least I think is when you were saying the body has a battery As a body is a lot like a battery, and I was argument saying no, your body has a lot of the properties

John Allen Mollenhauer 35:05

of a battery. I have never changed that statement. Since that conversation with you.

Mark Hiddleson 35:11

We'll talk a little about that. Because you're the expert. I mean, I'm you know, I just brought that up just because it's kind of a thing that plugs into that. If your body is a battery, then you can just zap it, you know what I mean? And do that external.

John Allen Mollenhauer 35:23

share more. But the way I took the way I took what you were saying was, the body is a lot more than a battery. Right? Yeah. Right about battery only has certain functions and capabilities. Yeah, right. Your body has the ability to do a mess things, but it has the properties of the battery built in. And by the way, you are 100%. Right. I love that clarification. And I've been talking about that way and writing about it that way, ever since that said, you literally have recharged the body, just like a battery. Yeah. And get more power. Because you know, if you read any biology book, and for those of you listening, you're probably not reading biology books every day. But you remember back when you did. And think about it in your mind's eye. You learned you had to breathe, and that you had to eat. And all biology books talk about producing ATP, which is the chemical currency of energy. And you when you breathe and you combust when oxygen, you know, oxidizes food molecules are broken down. You create ATP, right? That's the chemical currency of energy yet, if so if that's true, then why are people tired all the time, I'll just have to breathe a little bit more and eat a little more food today. And my energy should go right back up. And it doesn't happen. It doesn't happen. In reality, it does not happen. So So why are you yawning? It's because there's the third leg of that stool. The energy system is very complex, but I'm simplifying it, there's a third leg of that stool. And that means you have to proactively recharge your body on a regular basis. And, and if you think about everything, we talked about the first half of our conversation, Mark, yeah. Now you can see why people don't recharge they went when you're hungry, you eat. When you're thirsty, you drink, when you're tired, you reach for supplements, reach for coffee, reach for activity, go for extreme work ethic, go read a book, go watch TV, go tapping your head, oh my god, god, god, god, blah, blah, blah. And none of them. Absolutely, none of them will ever increase your energy, they will all cost you energy and make you even more tired. So the only thing you can do is regenerate. So you have to know what that energy is. Right? And this is the progress this isn't like, like a lot Lifesaver pack, like what the blue color is. No, this is the energy that's driving the whole show. You have to learn what that energy is and learn how to manage it in your life as what's primary in your life. Because when you're yawning you are depleting that and yawning is actually the recharge reflex for your body recharging, regenerating and people are covering it up. They're like you know they want to yawn so they're like this like put their hands over their face and their life right like they don't want to show anybody that they're going to God forbid you let anybody know that you're tired when when you reality you earned the right for that yawn because you've been kicking butt right you've been running your center running your facility you know executive being performing you know achieving a congressman God forbid you should go on and actually take in more energy no people cover it up every which way to Sunday and there's that's why they're tired all the time. So what are the Sunday back pain it's left shoulder pain everything

Mark Hiddleson 39:09

what are some of the things and you started before we got on you started to talk a little I was gonna ask you about like a daily rituals or because one of the things I've learned I think we both agree like starting things out right in the morning like getting some sunlight right away doing a grounding exercise and spiritual practice first thing in the morning like what are what are some of your daily rituals? I know you started to go into I was I was taking notes because I always it never was perfect right I can always add something but share some of your you know how do you recharge What are your some of your things you do to

John Allen Mollenhauer 39:44

I'm always creative for for reactive. That's like the first thing in the morning. I actually don't want to think that I do my first deep work block first thing in the morning because I have my my energies the highest the creative clarity. I don't want to get caught up anybody else's stuff. All right, I don't want to learn anything. I don't want to like read my email, I don't do any of that stuff. And, you know, using a term that Robin uses, right, Tony Robbins, you know, he calls it priming by other people, you know, I call it the am on ramp. Right? Before you know you started driving yourself throughout the day or your bed driven, I should say throughout the day, I want I want to I want to ramp up into that. I don't want to go straight into that. Right? So

Mark Hiddleson 40:33

that's deep work, you're creating that 6am to 9am or whatever it is that the first what, two or three? hour an hour? What do you mean

John Allen Mollenhauer 40:41

by Yeah, generally, like generally like five to seven, five to 752 hours that really prepped me for, you know, the rest of the day? Yeah, yeah. And you know, like, what is the lifestyle? Life's lifestyle is nothing more than a compilation of routines, right? Like we are the intelligent edge of the universe and how we live our life is our style of living now, how Dialed In is your style of living? Right? So you have to know the phases of the day, you have to know you want to do the right thing at the right time at the right level. If I go straight into email, or go straight into something else, I'm not really prepped for that happening. I mean, I, I haven't used my before I've gotten consumed by other people. I've now used all my creative energy on somebody else's world. Yeah. And you know, that's not that doesn't start my day, like, yeah, right. Probably not gonna start your day, right? Unless it's a big claim project. And that has to be done first. So if that's your big win for the day, well, then go be creative on that. And so don't get caught up in anybody else's stuff. Right? Get caught up in the person you're serving. Yeah, so But generally, you don't have to serve your clients at five o'clock in the morning. Right? You know, that they're happy to wait until eight or nine. Yeah. And you got to prime yourself, you gotta you gotta you got to ramp up into the day. And, you know, generally those things are the things that I'll do in the morning that are going to take me there. So you know, I I meditate. You know, I, I start with gratitude. Because, you know, gratitude is the go to thing whenever life is challenging, it's being grateful for even the challenge that you're facing, especially to challengers.

Mark Hiddleson 42:26

That's what I see missing. Like, I think Andrew Huberman somebody we both watched and seen his stuff. He's really smart, great guy in his gratitude practice. And he was saying he was saying, I kept waiting for the punch line. Like, what makes it awesome. What makes it awesome? Because I think what makes mine awesome. And I think you do this, I'm grateful for the, I call it the shit, right? That's the fertilizer, that's the mud, that's going to be the load. And it's hard sometimes. Because it's like, things don't happen on and sometimes, you know, it's not fair. It's not whatever. And those things are that I really try to look at and go out. What am I supposed to learn? Sometimes it's corny and sometimes ignored and ugly, but I think being grateful, you know, even grateful for the relationships with people that pissed me off, you know, because usually somebody pisses you off. They do the stuff that you're doing. That's always the message, right? I mean,

John Allen Mollenhauer 43:19

oh, yeah. Well, you're on as you're recognizing and that other person what's going on in you? Exactly. You're seeing it in all of its glory. And yeah, I hate you. Really.

Mark Hiddleson 43:32

But it's always it's always a gift. You know, and I know, it sincerely, really smart, good people. And they're like, I can't I'm not saying I don't accept that, you know, so it is it's

John Allen Mollenhauer 43:43

what, you know, you everything that you're explaining, I think is a perfect example of why I chose to go the lifestyle route. Yeah. Because Because your lifestyle is your style of it. Right. Yeah, it's comprised of principles, practices, and strategies, and they all principles and practices, and they all work together to form an approach to life, and we're all improving that endlessly from birth till death. Okay.

Mark Hiddleson 44:12

Do you agree with that? Yeah, it's a work in progress.

John Allen Mollenhauer 44:15

And I from an entrepreneurs point of view, I was like, Okay, I'm gonna leverage my experience, so I can save other people 20 years or more, because you don't want to spend your whole life learning how to live. Yeah, you don't want to you got to you got to condense that, that that learning period have the principles and practices and the strategy and the mindset and the skill set so that you can get on with your life, right? You don't want to be constantly learning how to live it, you want to live it, right. So but the but back to your story there. You know, all we simplify this lifestyle is about connecting the dots, and very, very important, right? But like it's hard To live in gratitude when you're lost in your story, right? So that's why you want to be grounded in spirit or grounded in energy grounded in your what? If that's not happening, then it's going to be hard to show gratitude. If that is happening, it's much easier to show gratitude in the face of challenge, because you know, the challenge is going to literally build your character, it's gonna, it's gonna, it's a challenge that you're facing whether you need to or not, it's happening. Yeah. And you know that after it, you're going to be a better man. And you know, that life's full of these. Yeah, right. But if you're lost in your story, and you're tired, and you're, you know, you're living from the last challenge that you didn't handle that, well, you're gonna probably lift this one up, too. So, you know, it's like, that's why it's what we're talking about here is developing a high performance lifestyle, so that we're not, when the next challenge arises, having to go through this same re schooling, right? Only one inch better, because that's going to happen anyway, we're going to keep getting better at these things. But my point is, is we're like, okay, if I'm going to face this world, I gotta be grounded in my higher self. And I gotta be in right relationship with my brain. And my brain needs to think real, but the optimistic we leaning, right? And I need to be make sure that my energy is at a certain, you know, my energy has been managed, and that the way I'm coping with stress is not in unhealthy ways. Because I want to be able to function and perform and when you dial in all those fundamentals, man, even amidst the most challenging circumstances, life is profoundly easier. Right? It's at least simpler, if all that is because I always used this metaphor. If you're being chased by an Axe Murderer. That's pretty disconcerting, isn't it? Yeah. I would not like that experience. Right. But I would think about the shift between these two things. An axe murderer you can't see and one that you can. My confidence goes up profoundly when I can see these. Yeah. Yeah. So if you don't know the game you're playing, and what those fundamentals are, you're going to be chased by symptoms and circumstances that you can't describe and navigate and get beyond with, with simplicity. And in some cases, just absolute ease. They become big things like you're being chased by an actor and you can't, you don't even know where he or she is, right. So I don't like that kind of stress, I got enough. You got enough stress out there in the world coming at you. And then to be dealing with brain fog, fatigue, lifestyle induced diseases, like pre diabetes, post diabetes, heart disease, exhaustion, fatigue, you know, skin problems, negative thinking, depression dot, these are all lifestyle induced depression, we optimize the way we live, we're going to be distracted and held back by all these things.

Mark Hiddleson 48:19

So what tell us were running? I mean, I didn't realize we're running out of time, but I wanted what what are some of the best ways for people connect with your program your systems. And we didn't even talk that much about Regenesis center, because that's another

John Allen Mollenhauer 48:34

way, I let's just hit it for 30 seconds, because it's Well, I think your lead listeners will enjoy this. Guys, you can literally recharge your body. I wrote, the center that I'm in right now is called Regenesis. Center, our E G en us center regenerating us. That's what it stands for. Right Regenesis, about regenerating us. And there's, there's all kinds of new recovery technologies that you can use today, to speed up recovery. I'm not talking about like rolling your arms after a workout that used to pass those regeneration. That's not I'm talking about in the flux of your day. When you start feeling the yawns coming on, you feel a dip in the middle of the day and you're, you know, you can literally proactively recharge your body and what makes a performance lifestyle. A high performance lifestyle is when you at least one aspect of it is when you actually start to proactively recharge your energy, you're not waiting to get tired to then go do something. You're proactively recharging so that you can stay at peak energy throughout the working hours of the day. You fall. Yeah. And there's technology that enables you to do that. And one of the key ones is what's called Photo bio modulation changing the body of the Light light was the original. I mean, heck, none of us are even here without the sun. Yeah, absolutely. Oxygen isn't even here without the sun. Right? Nothing living is here without the sun. So light, light literally recharges the body. So you want to get sun and have space and time to recharge. But you also want to use light strategically to recharge your nervous system. And when you do that, you can get up to four, even up to five hours of peak and high performance hours in your day. If you give yourself a dose of that during the day, and you can you can like come to a genocide or like mine, you can you can even put equipment in your place of business so your employees can recharge. Like it's like putting a whole body battery charger, right in your business to keep your employees at peak energy all week. Yeah. Can you tell us the transformative?

Mark Hiddleson 50:59

Don't you have clients that have them in their warehouse?

John Allen Mollenhauer 51:05

We're installing these or installing these in businesses. We're installing them in people's homes. Now. They're not cheap. It's not like a, like a handheld device that you just shut your eyes. Right now. It's

Mark Hiddleson 51:16

like, yeah, it's a machine. Yeah. But it's

John Allen Mollenhauer 51:18

a machine. And it's so but what's what's the value to guys that are level? What's the value of having four or five more peak hours of energy every day?

Mark Hiddleson 51:29

Yeah, no more and more people I know they're taking now I know a guy that works in late hours in the wild, because in the wine business, a lot of times you're shipping at certain times a year, where everything has to get out the door. So he's working longer days, but he's incorporating naps. He's in court, you know,

John Allen Mollenhauer 51:44

all kinds. And that's the beauty of it. Because you get a nap at the same time. When you get a nap and you get a nap combined with photobiomodulation, which is like red light therapy. You're resting, but you're also recharging. So it's like getting two hours of extra sleep in the middle of your day, but you're getting it in 15 minutes. It is like if someone were to literally ask me what my secret sauce is, like, the one thing that I know can change my day barn. I have a five year old so sometimes. Right? Yeah, yeah, for sure. Ah, it's it's being able to hop on a bed and literally recharge myself. And I'll tell you if I wasn't in this business. I put one of these things. Right in my office. I have a right next to my office. Because the one thing I don't know what your what your thought is on this mark. But tell me one of the worst feelings in the world is when you have a whole day left. And you're languishing. Yeah, oh,

Mark Hiddleson 52:46

totally of, oh my god, this is the worst. And it's so you know, but it's nice. Sometimes even though you know, like, I do things for recovery. Like I do take naps, or I meditate or riding my bike. That was something that if I if I have something, or I know I'm gonna get good sleep that night. Because I'm like, you know, I'm tired. But I look forward to that. So with this, with the red light therapy, you'd have something to look forward to it actually helps you get through whatever that low energy period is until you get time in the in the bed so that

John Allen Mollenhauer 53:19

I'm all for all the like, you know, part of a performance lifestyle is learning. Asleep rest, recovery, relaxation, meditation, education, like it you have to learn how to rest, right? Yeah. The beauty today, though, to make it even more exciting is that there's a lot of cool new technology with when when supplementing your lifestyle. Man, it fills some really key gaps.

Mark Hiddleson 53:44

Yeah, and they don't they don't have one here in town. There's a guy that has it for your face. But he doesn't have the full bodied one. And I called around so we got to get one of these here locally.

John Allen Mollenhauer 53:58

I've got oh my god, it's so transformative. It's so so transformative. Yeah, and you know, get two hours and 15 minutes is a beautiful thing. Yeah. The national average for sleep is six and a half to seven hours.

Mark Hiddleson 54:12

Yeah, yeah. And there's just those days I know I'm gonna need it even though even if I sleep well, just with what I've got. You knows what

John Allen Mollenhauer 54:18

I've got going on. So if there was any message I would want anybody listening to this call to take home? Yeah, it's, it's, it's but there's a lot to talk about when it comes to living a performance lifestyle. And a healthy high performance ledger. Okay. You got to know what a performance list that was before I was little but if there's anything I hope people take home from this mark. Is we got to get out of our heads literally. Like we got to we got to get this. Now you're not disassociated from your brain just want to be primarily identified with it because it just it can drive you a little bit crazy. Yeah. When you get proactive about energy, what's that?

Mark Hiddleson 55:00

My cousin Paula says, We got to make the journey from our head to our heart. Like you can go all the way people could travel all the way around the world. But making the journey from your head to your heart is is sometimes the toughest, you know, eating Oh,

John Allen Mollenhauer 55:12

yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, it's and get proactive about, about managing energy. Because this is, this is all everything you're hearing Mark and I talked about today, this is all human performance, right? This isn't just about living healthy or, or just one specific practice. It's about bringing it all together. So that so that you've got a lifestyle, it totally supports you and what you're up to in the world. I know. That's something that you and I have always had kindred together, and we've had awesome conversations about it. Yeah. And, you know, when you really connect the dots on this, man, it's so many great things happen.

Mark Hiddleson 55:53

And so what's the best place for people to find out more about performance lifestyle? Regenus Center?

John Allen Mollenhauer 55:59

Well, every you can go to regional center straight to Okay, I know we have a site up there. And if you ever in northern New Jersey, or you're in northern New Jersey, definitely stop by and everything that I do, you know, is my Launchpad is lifestyle coach jam.

Mark Hiddleson 56:18

Because you have a lot of stuff that's online, right and

John Allen Mollenhauer 56:21

dealt with Yes. But instead of going all over the place, you can, you can always just launch from a get a get a leap off of lifestyle coach jam, that's where I operates when I publish. Okay. You know, all my signature programs, anything that I'm doing is there.

Mark Hiddleson 56:37

Yeah, we'll put that I'll have it in the show notes. So there'll be a link to that in the show notes the best way. So Jan, this has been, I've been looking forward to this. I'm glad we got together. Thank you so much.

John Allen Mollenhauer 56:49

More. Thanks so much for having me. Sometimes I get on a roll. You probably had like a couple more questions in there. But we always have good conversation. We always have good conversation. I literally love you. I am a better man, when I'm around you. And I I've always appreciated your light abiding approach to life. And look how successful you are.

Mark Hiddleson 57:15

Oh, absolutely. Man, your brother too. And if you if you make me get emotional, started talking about football, but I love you too. Man, your brother, we do share a lot of the same values. And it's been awesome. I appreciate your contribution to the lifestyle fit because I think it's what we need. I mean, I think is what everybody needs. So thank you. Thank you very much for the work you do in the world. And thanks for coming on The Tao of Pizza. Thanks for having me. God bless.

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